Poncirus trifoliata - si hibrizii

thea

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Dane,daca il acopar cu folie din aceea permeabila pt. UV si apa, dar il protejeaza de inghet?
Sincera sa fiu nu stiu cat de acre sunt fructele(asta in caz ca Poncirusul meu nu a fost altoit! Apropos, cum imi dau seama?) important pt. mine este sa faca fructe precum lamaile d.p.v. nutritiv.
 

danero2004

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e simplu

daca frunzele superioare sunt in forma trifoliata (trei folii) atunci nu e altoit si ai un banal poncirus

Nu cred ca trece iarna cu folia , dar e doar opinia mea , as merge pe ghiveci la un loc rece cu maxim -5 -10C cu ghiveci invelit in sac de iuta si cat mai uscat

Poncirus e maestru la trait in sol uscat :D
 

thea

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Da Dan ,e un Poncirus de neam prost, :x .
Acum daca il altoiesc s-ar putea sa reziste afara peste iarna daca il scot din iarna ..in pivnita?

Totusi, fructele sunt asa de proaste?nu poate fi folosita zeama la diverse preparate culinare? Uneori folosesc zeama de lamaie sau de lime dar parca si mai acra ar fi fost de preferat.
Astia de unde l-am cumparat aveau si portocal altoit pe Poncirus dar mi-am zis ca nu poate da fructe bune la gust.
 

cataliny

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thea a spus:
Astia de unde l-am cumparat aveau si portocal altoit pe Poncirus dar mi-am zis ca nu poate da fructe bune la gust.
Se zice ca sunt f.bune la gust doar ca sunt mai mici, vigoarea copacelului e mai mica etc, are si avantaje dar care nu pot fi puse in valoare la noi in tara.
 

danero2004

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Portocal dulce pe poncirus e bine , fructele de poncirus sunt bune doar de parfumat camera

Planta in sine este un deliciu primavara cand infloreste si protejeaza cu spinii daca sunt zone "fierbinti" :rofl:
 

popgeo

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Fructele de poncirus sint amare.... deci nu prea ajuta la limonade sau salate.... altoiul s-ar putea sa nu reziste pe afara peste iarna, sau daca rezista sa nu duca fructele pina la coacere. Poncirus sigur rezista afara peste iarna la noi, dar probabil o duce mai bine in microclimat sau in zonele ceva mai calde decit cele reci(moldova si altele)...mai ales protejat de vint.
In schimb este un pom foarte folosit pt efectele medicinale si ale fructelor si ale plantei in sine...
Incearca sa gasesti citrumelo... fructele respective sint mai comestibile... si pomul pare la fel de rezistent la iernile noastre..

thea a spus:
Da Dan ,e un Poncirus de neam prost, :x .
Acum daca il altoiesc s-ar putea sa reziste afara peste iarna daca il scot din iarna ..in pivnita?

Totusi, fructele sunt asa de proaste?nu poate fi folosita zeama la diverse preparate culinare? Uneori folosesc zeama de lamaie sau de lime dar parca si mai acra ar fi fost de preferat.
Astia de unde l-am cumparat aveau si portocal altoit pe Poncirus dar mi-am zis ca nu poate da fructe bune la gust.
 

thea

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Popgeo poti sa dezvolti ceea ce ai spus despre avantajele medicinale ale lui Poncirus? Poate nu am facut o investitie proasta in ultima instanta.
 

Floria

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Danero, in comanda aceea din 2008 am avut Poncirus trifoliata Orange si Poncirus Trifoliata Flying Dragon. Nu mai stiu care a rasarit si care nu dar am ramas cu unul care arata asa

Aceasta este o crenguta mica dar pe tulpina are tepii mult mai mari.
Furnizorul de la care am comandat l-a scos din lista de vanzari.
 

thea

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Floria ,Poncirus trifoliata nu este sigur.Al meu chiar are pana in varf frunzele grupate cate trei.
Poate este un altoi pe Poncirus gogaleste si tu la imagini.
 

Floria

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Thea, mi-e greu sa iau povestea de la capat si pentru tine, Danero stie despre ce este vorba, dar multumesc pentru comm. Inchipuieste-ti ca am google-it destul pana sa scriu aici.
 

danero2004

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Buna , pune o poza de profil la frunza sa vad nervuri si structura

conform Universitatii de botanica din Georgia USA asta e un autentic CITRUS FLYING DRAGON


numele vine de aici


in asemanare cu un dragon zburator japonez



There is also a straight form of the Poncirus trifoliata, all information regarding the two are interchangeable, other than the twisted stems.
Introduced to the U.S. from Japan in 1915. Highly prized in the Orient, where it has been cultivated for centuries. The dragon is used primarily as rootstock for other Citrus trees. A rootstock is a plant onto which another plant is grafted onto. Why would you want to graft one kind of Citrus onto another?
Flying Dragon is used for a number of reasons:
1) It gives some cold hardiness to the Citrus on top. FD is considered cold hardy to about -15 degrees. So folks as far north as Cape Cod, Massachusetts can grow the Flying Dragon. Sorry my northern friends, the scion (Citrus on top) will not survive that cold. It only offers it a couple of extra degrees of protection.
2) It dwarfs the Citrus tree. A dwarf tree is simply one defined by convention as being about 5 to 6 feet tall at maturity. In other words, a common grapefruit or sweet orange tree on "standard" or non-dwarfing rootstock will reach a 15 to 20-foot height at maturity, while a tree on Flying Dragon may grow to only "dwarf" size.
3) It also offers some resistance to certain soil borne illnesses. One example is it has resistance to Phytophthora foot rot. Foot rot, is also known as brown rot gummosis. This disease can affect the root system, the trunk below and above ground, branches, leaves, blossoms and fruit. Infection of the lower areas of the trunk results in dark, water-soaked areas in the active areas of infection. Often gum exudes profusely from active lesions. The dead bark frequently breaks away from the wood in vertical strips. In other words, a really nasty disease for Citrus.
The Flying Dragon is considered a slow growing tree. Requires full sun and a well draining soil. It does very well in containers and can be used as a Bonsai. It is also used for hybridization or breeding of other types of Citrus trees. I mentioned the cold hardiness of FD's. Breeders have been crossing the Poncirus with many other kinds of Citrus, trying to introduce that cold hardiness into some of the better tasting fruits. There has been very little success. There are a few good crosses out there however, Dragon Lime being one. This is a cross between the Flying Dragon and probably a Sweet Orange, though the exact parentage is not known. It has a Limeade like taste and is the size of a Sweet Orange. If nothing else,they have come up with some really weird names due to the crossings: Citradia (Poncirus and Seville Orange)....Citraldin (Poncirus and Calamondin) and my favorite... Tai-Tri (Poncirus trifoliata and Citrus taiwanica).
What about the fruit that it produces on its own? Have you ever tasted kerosene? That pretty much describes the flavor. They are edible in the sense that you won't die from eating them, but you may wish you would. Michael Dirr, in his "Manual of Woody Landscape Plants", comments that "Ripe fruits set aside for several weeks become juicy and develop a sprightly, slightly acid flavor. Serves as a substitute for lemon, pulp can be made into marmalade, and peel can be candied". I have never waited several weeks to try this, I can't get past the initial smell and gag reflex. They are ugly, seedy little fruits too, about the size of golfballs:


When growing FD beware of the thorns. I read somewhere that it maybe illegal to put barbed wire around your home, but the dragon is a very good, legal, substitute.(See very first picture again) Imagine having a solid hedge of this around your yard?
The name Poncirus trifoliata reveals a little about its description. The word trifoliata is a form of the word trifoliate or having three leaves or leaflike parts.
The dragon also produces pretty white flower that are fragrant and attract bees. With all this being said, Lets recap what that the Poncirus trifoliata is good for, Grafting, Hybridization, Ornamental, Stalag 13 encampment and one last thing that I haven't mentioned......They are good for Target Practice!!
Happy Growing!
 

Floria

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Multumesc mult Danero, mi-este de mare ajutor. Cred ca furnizorul a gresit semintele. Tot ce pot sa-ti spun este ca si citricul pe care il am rezista iarna intr-o rasadnita acoperita cu sticla si folie peste ea.
 

Floria

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NU stiu sa-ti spun care este cea mai joasa temperatura iarna, noaptea, in rasadnita, dar mi-a rezistat foarte bine iarna trecuta care a fost foarte geroasa, agava variegata, Callistemon, palmierii, curmalii, in general plante de zona 7 sau chiar de 8. Cele de zona 9 mi-au degerat toate. Adica Ficusii benjamin, Dracena, Sphatifilius.
Rasadnita mea este la 1,5 m sub nivelul solului.
 

popgeo

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Poncirus trifoliata rezista foarte bine si afara la noi, numai sa nu il bata vintul rece iarna.
In banat am vazuut pe la oameni prin gradina (foarte rar) la dimensiune de 1m+
 
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